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dē, adv.: of place, down, only in the phrase susque deque, q. v.

dē, prep. [perh. for ded; cf. Oscan dat, old abl. of pronom. stem da; cf. also Lith. praep. da, as far as; and the suffixes, old case-forms, -dam, -dem, -dum, -do, with the locative -de; v. Ribbeck, Beitr. z. L. v. d. Lat. Part. p. 4 sq.] (with abl., denotes the going out, departure, removal, or separating of an object from any fixed point. Accordingly, it occupies a middle place between ab, away from, which denotes a mere external departure, and ex, out of, which signifies from the interior of a thing. Hence verbs compounded with de are constr. not only with de, but quite as freq. with ab and ex; and, on the other hand, those compounded with ab and ex often have the terminus a quo indicated by de), from, away from, down from, out of, etc.

In space, lit. and trop. with verbs of motion: animam de corpore mitto, Enn. ap. Non. p. 150, 6 (Ann. v. 216 Vahl.):

aliquo quom jam sucus de corpore cessit,

Lucr. 3, 224:

(quod Ariovistus) de altera parte agri Sequanos decedere juberet,

to depart, withdraw from, Caes. B. G. 1, 31, 10; cf.:

civitati persuasit, ut de finibus suis cum omnibus copiis exirent,

id. ib. 1, 2:

decedere de provincia,

Cic. Verr. 2, 2, 20, § 49 ( = ex provincia, id. ib. 2, 2, 65, §

147): de vita decedere,

Cic. Rab. Perd. 11:

exire de vita,

id. Lael. 4, 15 (cf.:

excedere e vita,

id. ib. 3, 12):

de triclinio, de cubiculo exire,

id. de Or. 2, 65 fin.:

hamum de cubiculo ut e navicula jacere,

Plin. Ep. 9, 7, 4:

de castris procedere,

Sall. C. 61, 8 et saep.:

brassica de capite et de oculis omnia (mala) deducet,

Cato R. R. 157, 6:

de digito anulum detraho,

Ter. Heaut. 4, 1, 38; cf.:

de matris complexu aliquem avellere atque abstrahere,

Cic. Font. 17:

nomen suum de tabula sustulit,

id. Sest. 33, 72:

ferrum de manibus extorsimus,

id. Cat. 2, 1, 2:

juris utilitas vel a peritis vel de libris depromi potest,

id. de Or. 1, 59, 252 et saep.:

... decido de lecto praeceps,

Plaut. Casin. 5, 2, 50:

de muro se deicere,

Caes. B. C. 1, 18, 3:

de sella exsilire,

Cic. Verr. 2, 2, 30 fin.:

nec ex equo vel de muro, etc., hostem destinare,

Tert. adv. Jud. 9, p. 192:

de caelo aliquid demittere,

Lucr. 2, 1155; cf. Cato R. R. 14, 3 et saep.—

In gen., to indicate the person or place from which any thing is taken, etc., with verbs of taking away, depriving, demanding, requesting, inquiring, buying; as capere, sumere, emere, quaerere, discere, trahere, etc., and their compounds; cf.:

emere de aliquo,

Cato R. R. 1, 4:

aliquid mercari de aliquo,

Cic. Fl. 20 et saep.:

de aliquo quaerere, quid, etc.,

Cic. Att. 1, 14, 2:

saepe hoc audivi de patre,

id. de Or. 3, 33, 133; cf.:

de mausoleo exaudita vox est,

Suet. Ner. 46:

ut sibi liceret discere id de me,

Ter. Eun. 2, 2, 31;

so with petere, of place (class.): de vicino terra petita solo,

Ov. F. 4, 822;

so of persons (late Lat.): peto de te,

Dig. 36, 1, 57, § 2; Apul. M. 6, p. 179, 40.

To point out the place from which any thing is brought; and hence, trop., to indicate its origin, derivation, etc.: of, from: de circo astrologi, Enn. ap. Cic. Div. 1, 58; so,

caupo de via Latina,

Cic. Clu. 59, 163:

nescio qui de circo maximo,

id. Mil. 24, 65:

declamator aliqui de ludo aut rabula de foro,

id. Or. 15, 47:

homo de schola atque a magistro... eruditus,

id. de Or. 2, 7, 28:

nautae de navi Alexandrina,

Suet. Aug. 98:

aliquis de ponte,

i. e. a beggar, Juv. 14, 134:

Libyca de rupe leones,

Ov. F. 2, 209:

nostro de rure corona,

Tib. 1, 1, 15:

Vaticano fragiles de monte patellas,

Juv. 6, 344 al.:

de summo loco Summoque genere eques,

Plaut. Capt. prol. 30; cf. id. Aul. prol. 28; id. Poen. 3, 1, 13:

genetrix Priami de gente vetusta,

Verg. A. 9, 284; cf. id. ib. 10, 350; Stat. S. 5, 3, 126:

de Numitore sati,

Ov. F. 5, 41:

de libris,

Cic. de Or. 1, 59, 252:

de Philocteta, id,

ib. 3, 35, 141 (cf.:

e Philocteta versus,

Quint. 3, 1, 14).

Transf., to indicate the quarter from which motion proceeds (cf. ab), from, and because motion is so often and naturally downwards, down from:

haec agebantur in conventu, palam, de sella ac de loco superiore,

Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 40; cf. ib. 2, 2, 38:

quem ad se vocari et de tribunali citari jussit,

id. ib. 2, 5, 7:

qui nihil ex occulto, nihil de insidiis, agendum putant,

Cic. Off. 1, 30, 109; cf.

de tergo plagas dare,

from behind, Plaut. Asin. 2, 2, 10; Just. 20, 5, 5:

de paupere mensa dona,

Tib. 1, 1, 37 et saep.—In jurid. Latin: de plano discutere, interloqui, cognoscere, etc., i. e. on level ground, not on the tribunal (cf. chamothen, opp. pro bêmatos, Dig. 27, 1, 13, § 10), Dig. 1, 4, 1; 1, 16, 9; 14. 3, 11 et saep.; so, de plano, off-hand, without formal consideration, Lucr. 1, 411;

v. planus.—And with pendeo, etc. (the motion in the eye transferred to the object): deque viri collo dulce pependit onus,

Ov. F. 2, 760:

lucerna de camera pendebat,

Petr. 30, 3; cf.:

et nova de gravido palmite gemma tumet,

Ov. F. 1, 152:

de qua pariens arbore nixa dea est,

leaning downwards against the tree, id. H. 21, 100.

In time.

Immediately following a given moment of time, after, directly after (very rare):

de concursu,

Lucr. 1, 384 (cf. Munro, ad loc.):

velim scire hodiene statim de auctione aut quo die venias,

Cic. Att. 12, 3:

non bonus somnus est de prandio,

Plaut. Most. 3, 2, 8:

de eorum verbis prosilui, etc.,

id. Trin. 1, 2, 178.—Hence, diem de die, from day to day, day after day, Liv. 5, 48:

cum is diem de die differret, dum, etc.,

id. 25, 25; cf.:

diem de die proferendo,

Just. 2, 15, 6: de die in diem, from day to day, daily (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Psa. 60, 8; 2 Pet. 2, 8; Cypr. Ep. 3, 11.

De nocte, de vigilia, etc., to designate an act which begins or takes its origin from the night-time, Engl. during or in the course of the night, at night, by night, etc.: De. Rus cras cum filio Cum primo lucu ibo hinc. Mi. Imo de nocte censeo, to-night rather, Ter. Ad. 5, 3, 55: in comitium Milo de nocte venit, in the night (cf. shortly before, Milo media nocte in campum venit), Cic. Att. 4, 3, 4; cf. id. Mur. 33, 69:

vigilas tu de nocte,

id. ib. 9, 22; cf.:

de nocte evigilabat,

Suet. Vesp. 21:

ut jugulent homines, surgunt de nocte latrones,

at night, Hor. Ep. 1, 2, 32;

and Hannibal surgere de nocte solitus, Frontin Strat. 4, 3, 7 et saep.: ut de nocte multa impigreque exsurrexi,

late in the night, Plaut. Rud. 4, 2, 10; so,

multa de nocte,

Cic. Sest. 35, 75; id. Att. 7, 4 fin. (for which multa nocte, id. Q. Fr. 2, 9); cf.

also: si de multa nocte (al. de nocte) vigilassent,

id. Att. 2, 15, 2:

Caesar mittit complures equitum turmas eo de media nocte,

Caes. B. G. 7, 45; 7, 88; so,

media de nocte,

at midnight, Suet. Calig. 26; Hor. Ep. 1, 18, 91:

Caesar de tertia vigilia e castris profectus,

in the third night-watch, Caes. B. G. 1, 12:

de tertia vigilia,

id. ib. 1, 21; Liv. 9, 44 Drak.; 40, 4 al.; cf.:

de quarta vigilia,

Caes. B. G. 1, 21, 3 al.; v. vigilia. —As in this manner de nocte became adverbially = nocte, so de die was sometimes used for die or per diem:

de die potare,

by day, in the daytime, Plaut. Asin. 4, 2, 16:

epulari de die,

Liv. 23, 8; Ter. Ad. 5, 9, 8; Catull. 47, 6; Suet. Calig. 37; id. Domit. 21; cf.:

bibulus media de luce Falerni,

Hor. Ep. 1, 14, 34;

and in a lusus verbb. with in diem,

Cic. Phil. 2, 34 fin. —Less freq., de mense:

navigare de mense Decembri,

in December, Cic. Q. Fr. 2, 1 fin. —And once de tempore for tempore: ipse de tempore coenavit, Auct. B. Hisp. 33, 5.

In other relations, implying separation, departure from, etc.

To designate the whole, from which a part is taken, or of which a part is separately regarded, etc., from among, out of, from:

hominem certum misi de comitibus meis,

Cic. Att. 8, 1, 2:

gladio percussus ab uno de illis,

id. Mil. 24, 65:

si quis de nostris hominibus,

id. Flacc. 4:

quemvis de iis qui essent idonei,

id. Div. in Caecil. 4 fin.:

de tribus et decem fundis tres nobilissimi fundi,

id. Rosc. Am. 35, 99 et saep.:

accusator de plebe,

id. Brut. 34, 131:

pulsare minimum de plebe Quiritem,

Ov. Am. 1, 7, 29; cf. Liv. 7, 17:

malus poëta de populo,

Cic. Arch. 10, 25 et saep.:

partem solido demere de die,

Hor. Od. 1, 1, 20:

quantum de vita perdiderit,

Petr. 26:

praeteriine tuas de tot caelestibus aras,

Ov. Her. 21, 179; Juv. 1, 138. —

Sometimes de with abl. takes the place of the gen. partit. or gen. obj. In the best writers this occurs mainly

to avoid ambiguity where genitives would be multiplied:

ne expers partis esset de nostris bonis,

Ter. Heaut. 4, 1, 39:

ut aliquem partem de istius impudentia reticere possim,

Cic. Verr. 2, 1, 12, § 32;

for greater precision:

si quae sunt de eodem genere,

id. Tusc. 4, 7, 16:

persona de mimo,

id. Phil. 2, 27, 65;

in the poets, metri gratiā:

aliquid de more vetusto,

Ov. F. 6, 309; Grat. Cyneg. 17:

laudes de Caesare,

Ov. Pont. 4, 13, 23:

cetera de genere hoc,

Hor. Sat. 1, 1, 13; Lucr. 4, 746. This circumlocution was freq. [p. 514] in comic writers and in vulgar lang., and became more common in the declining periods of the lang., so that in the Romance tongues de, di, etc., with a case represent the earlier genitive (so, conscius, conscientia, meminisse, mentionem facere, recordari, etc., de aliqua re for alicujus rei, v. h. vv.).

To indicate the property from which the costs of any thing are taken:

obsonat, potat, olet unguenta de meo,

Ter. Ad. 1, 2, 37; so,

de tuo,

Plaut. Bac. 1, 1, 65:

de suo,

Cic. Att. 16, 16, A, 5; Suet. Caes. 19:

de nostro,

Plaut. Truc. 1, 2, 11:

de vestro,

Liv. 6, 15, 10; cf.:

de vestris,

Ov. F. 3, 828:

de alieno,

Liv. 3, 1, 3; Just. 36, 3 fin.:

de publico,

Cic. Verr. 2, 3, 44; Liv. 1, 20; 2, 16; 4, 60. For de tuo, once de te:

de te largitor puer,

Ter. Ad. 5, 8, 17.—Also in a trop. sense:

ad tua praecepta de meo nihil his novum apposivi,

Plaut. Mil. 3, 3, 31; cf. id. Men. 1. 2, 40; Cic. Fam. 4, 3; Plin. Ep. 4, 13, 8.— Poet., to denote that out of which, or by which, one pays a penalty or suffers punishment:

has vestro de sanguine poenas datis,

Luc. 4, 805; cf.:

cum de visceribus tuis satisfacturus sis quibus debes,

Cic. Q. Frat. 1, 3, 7.

To designate the material of which any thing is made, of, out of, from:

niveo factum de marmore signum,

Ov. M. 14, 313; cf. Verg. G. 3, 13:

verno de flore corona,

Tib. 2, 1, 59:

sucus de quinquefolio,

Plin. 26, 4, 11:

cinis de fico,

Pall. 1, 35, 3 et saep.:

de templo carcerem fleri,

Cic. Phil. 5, 7; cf. Flor. 2, 6, 32:

captivum de rege facturi,

Just. 7, 2, 11; cf.:

inque deum de bove versus erat,

Ov. F. 5, 616 et saep.:

fles de rhetore consul,

Juv. 7, 197.—Cf. trop. by means of:

de eodem oleo et opera exaravi nescio quid ad te,

Cic. Att. 13, 38.—Prov.:

de nihilo nihilum,

Pers. 3, 84; cf. Lucr. 1, 157 sq.

In mental operations, to indicate the subject-matter or theme on which any mental act (thinking, considering, advising, determining, etc.; discoursing, informing, exhorting, deciding, disputing, doubting, etc.) is founded; of, about, concerning, Gr. peri:

cogitare de aliqua re, etc. (the most common signification): multa narrare de Laelio,

Cic. Lael. 1, 1:

dubitare de re,

id. Fam. 3, 10, 15:

de suo adventu docere,

Suet. Caes. 9:

de moribus admonere,

Sall. Cat. 5, 9 et saep.—With this, too, is connected its use,

To indicate the producing cause or reason, for, on account of, because of:

nam id nisi gravi de causa non fecisset,

Cic. Att. 7, 7, 3; cf. id. de Or. 1, 41, 186; Cael ap. Cic. Fam. 8, 15; Cic. Att. 11, 3:

de quo nomine ad arbitrum adiisti, de eo ad judicium venisti,

id. Rosc. Com. 4, 12:

flebat uterque non de suo supplicio, sed pater de filii morte, de patris filius,

id. Verr. 2, 1, 30, § 76:

de labore pectus tundit,

with pain, Plaut. Casin. 2, 6, 63:

incessit passu de vulnere tardo,

Ov. M. 10, 49:

humus fervet de corpore,

id. ib. 7, 560:

facilius de odio creditur,

Tac. H. 1, 34:

quod erat de me feliciter Ilia mater,

through me, Ov. F. 3, 233 et saep.

To indicate the thing with reference to which any thing is done, with respect to, concerning:

de istac re in oculum utrumvis conquiescito,

Plaut. Ps. 1, 1, 121: nil peccat de savio, Caec. ap. Gell. 2, 23, 11 (v. 161 Ribbeck):

credere de numero militum,

Cic. Att. 9, 1, 2:

de numero dierum fidem servare,

Caes. B. G. 6, 36; Sall. C. 50, 3:

de ceteris senatui curae fore,

id. Jug. 26, 1:

concessum ab nobilitate de consule plebeio,

Liv. 6, 42:

solem de virgine rapta consule,

Ov. F. 4, 581 et saep.—Ellipt.:

de argento somnium,

as for the money, Ter. Ad. 2, 1, 50 (for which id. Heaut. 4, 2, 4: quod de argento sperem, nihil est): Varr. R. R. 1, 59, 1:

de Dionysio sum admiratus,

Cic. Att. 9, 12; id. Off. 1, 15, 47:

de me autem suscipe paullisper meas partes,

id. Fam. 3, 12, 2; Ter. Hec. 2, 1, 36 et saep.:

de Samnitibus triumphare,

concerning, over, Cic. Sen. 16, 55; cf. Hor. 4, 2, 88:

de Atheniensibus victoria,

Curt. 8, 1, 33.

To indicate the thing in conformity with which any thing is done, according to, after:

secundum: DE SENATVOS SENTENTIAD, S. C. de Bac.: fecisse dicas de mea sententia,

Plaut. Bac. 4, 9, 115; cf.:

de suorum propinquorum sententia atque auctoritate fecisse dicatur,

Cic. Cael. 29: de consilii sententia Mamertinis se frumentum non imperare pronunciat, id. Verr. 2, 5, 21 al.:

de ejus consilio velle sese facere,

Ter. Ph. 3, 1, 17:

vix de mea voluntate concessum est,

Cic. Att. 4, 2, 4:

de exemplo meo ipse aedificato,

Plaut. Most. 3, 2, 86:

de more vetusto,

Verg. A. 11, 142; Ov. M. 7, 606:

de nomine,

id. ib. 1, 447:

patrioque vocat de nomine mensem,

id. F. 3, 77.

With adjectives to form adverbial expressions.

De integro, anew ( = ab integro, ex integro; cf.: iterum, rursus, denuo), indidemque eadem aeque oriuntur de integro, atque eodem occidunt, Pac. ap. Varr. L. L. 5, § 17 Müll. (v. 92 Ribb.):

ratio de integro ineunda est mihi,

Ter. Heaut. 4, 2, 7; Cic. Verr. 2, 2, 56; id. Att. 13, 27; id. Fam. 12, 30, 2 et saep. (The combination de novo appears only in the contracted form denuo, v. h. v.).—

De improviso, unexpectedly:

ubi de improviso interventum est mulieri,

Ter. Heaut. 2, 3, 40; id. And. 2, 2, 23; id. Ad. 3, 3, 53; Caes. B. G. 2, 3; 5, 22; 5, 39 et saep.; Cic. Rosc. Am. 52, 151 et saep.—

De transverso, unexpectedly:

ecce autem de transverso L. Caesar ut veniam ad se rogat,

Cic. Att. 15, 4 fin.; Auct. Her. 4, 10, 14.

or pron. and its substantive; cf.

above multa de nocte, media de nocte, gravi de causa, etc.: qua de re,

Ter. Andr. 1, 2, 13; esp. in the judic. formula: qua de re agitur; cf. Varr. R. R. 2, 2, 6; Cic. Brut. 79 fin. Also freq. after a simple relative:

quo de,

Cic. Inv. 1, 28, 41; 54, 104; 2, 11, 37:

qua de,

id. ib. 2, 23, 70 et saep.

In composition the e becomes short before a vowel, as in dĕhisco, dĕhinc, dĕorsum, and coincides with it in the poets by synaeresis; cf.: dehinc, deinde, deinceps, deorsum; sometimes contraction takes place, as in debeo, debilis, dego, demo, from dehabeo, de-habilis, de-ago, de-emo.—

Signif.

Separation, departure, removal, taking away; off, away, down, out: decedo, demigro, demeto, depromo, descendo, devolvo, derivo, deflecto, etc.; and trop. dedico, denuntio; and in a downward direction, decido, decumbo, deprimo, demergo, delabor, defluo, demitto, desido, desideo, declivis, deculco, degredior, deicio, etc.—

Cessation, removal of the fundamental idea ( = un-, de-, dis-): dearmo, deartuo, decresco, dedisco, dedecoro, dedignor, dedoceo, denascor, denormo, desum, etc.; and hence direct negation, as in dedecet, deformis, demens, etc.—

With reference to the terminus of the action: defero, defigo, demitto, etc.; hence also trop., with reference to the extent of the action, to the uttermost, to exhaustion, through. out: debacchor, debello, dedolo, delino, delibuo, etc.: defatigo, delaboro, delasso, etc.; hence freq. a mere strengthening of the fundamental idea, = valde, thoroughly, much: demiror, demitigo, etc.—

Giving a bad sense to the verb: decipio, delinquo, deludo, derideo, detestor.—

Rarely, contraction from a broad into a narrow space, together: deligo, devincio. See also Hand Turs. II. p. 183-229.

vĕnĭo, vēni, ventum, 4 ( fut. venibo, Pompon. ap. Non. 508, 23; imperf. venibat, Ter. Phorm. 4, 3, 47; gen. plur, part. sync. venientum, Verg. G. 4, 167; id. A. 1, 434; 6, 755), v. n. [Sanscr. root gā, go; Zend root gā, gam, go; Gr. BA-, bainô; Lat. ar-biter, venio; Goth. quiman; O. H. Germ. quëman, koman; Engl. come; v. Curt. Gr. Etym. p. 466], to come (cf. accedo).

Lit.:

nunc, cujus jussu venio et quam ob rem venerim, Dicam, etc.,

Plaut. Am. prol. 17:

veni, vidi, vici,

Suet. Caes. 37: imus, venimus, videmus. Ter. Phorm. 1, 2, 53:

maritimus hostis ante adesse potest quam quisquam venturum esse suspicari queat, etc.,

Cic. Rep. 2, 3, 6:

venio ad macellum,

Plaut. Aul. 2, 8, 3:

ut veni ad urbem, etc.,

Cic. Fam. 16, 12, 2:

cupio, te ad me venire,

id. ib. 16, 10, 1; Plaut. As. 2, 4, 2:

mihi si spatium fuerit in Tusculanum veniendi,

Cic. Fam. 9, 5, 3:

Cato... cum venerat ad se in Sabinos,

had come home, id. Rep. 3, 28, 40:

quia nudius quartus venimus in Cariam ex Indiā,

Plaut. Curc. 3, 68:

sexto die Delum Athenis venimus,

Cic. Att. 5, 12, 1:

Italiam fato profugus, Laviniaque venit Litora,

Verg. A. 1, 2:

tumulum antiquae Cereris sedemque sacratam Venimus,

id. ib. 2, 743 (cf. devenio):

vin' ad te ad cenam veniam,

Plaut. Stich. 3, 2, 30:

mercator venit huc ad ludos,

id. Cist. 1, 3, 9:

homo ad praetorem deplorabundus venit,

id. Aul. 2, 4, 38:

neque ego te derisum venio neque derideo,

id. ib. 2, 2, 46:

ad istum emptum venerunt illum locum senatorium,

Cic. Verr. 2, 2, 50, § 124.—With inf.:

parasitus modo venerat aurum petere,

Plaut. Bacch. 4, 3, 18:

non nos Libycos populare penates Venimus,

Verg. A. 1, 528.—

Of inanimate subjects: navis huc ex portu Persico Venit,

Plaut. Am. 1, 1, 249:

denique in os salsi venit umor saepe saporis, Cum mare vorsamur propter,

Lucr. 4, 220:

(aër) Per patefacta venit penetratque foramina,

id. 4, 891:

(speculi imago) Dum venit ad nostras acies,

id. 4, 279:

sub aspectum venire,

Cic. de Or. 2, 87, 358:

in conspectu,

Caes. B. C. 2, 27:

in conspectum,

Hirt. B. G. 8, 48; Cic. Fin. 1, 7, 24:

muliebris vox mihi ad aures venit,

Plaut. Rud. 1, 4, 13;

in Italiā te moraturum, dum tibi litterae meae veniant,

reaches you, Cic. Fam. 11, 24, 2: hereditas unicuique nostrum venit, comes, i. e. descends to each of us, id. Caecin. 26, 74; cf.:

hic Verres hereditatem sibi venisse arbitratus est, quod in ejus regnum ac manus venerat is, quem, etc.,

id. Verr. 2, 4, 27, § 62: hic segetes, illic veniunt felicius uvae, come forth, i. e. grow, Verg. G. 1, 54; so,

arbores sponte suā,

id. ib. 2, 11; 2, 58; Prop. 1, 2, 10. —

Impers. pass., we, they, etc., came or have come, etc.:

Lilybaeum venitur,

Cic. Verr. 2, 5, 54, § 141: ad me ventum est, it has fallen to me, id Quint. 1, 3:

dum ad flumen Varum veniatur,

Caes. B. C. 1, 87:

(Galli) veniri ad se confestim existimantes, ad arma conclamant,

id. B. G. 7, 70:

ventum in insulam est,

Cic. Leg. 2, 3, 6:

ubi eo ventum est,

Caes. B. G. 1, 43:

ad quos ventum erat,

id. ib. 2, 11;

3, 23: eo cum esset ventum,

id. ib. 7, 61.—

Esp., to come. spring, be descended:

qui se Bebryciā veniens Amyci de gente ferebat (i. e. qui se ferebat venientem, etc.),

Verg. A. 5, 373 Forbig. ad loc. —

Trop.

In gen.:

vides, quo progrediente oratione venturum me puto,

Cic. Rep. 1, 40, 62. ut jam a principio videndum sit, quemadmodum velis venire ad extremum orationis, id. Or. 59, 201:

contra rem suam me nescio quando venisse questus est,

that I appeared, id. Phil. 2, 2, 3: contra amici summam existimationem, id. Att. 1, 1, 4:

si rem nullam habebis, quod in buccam venerit, scribito,

id. ib. 1, 12, 4;

v. bucca: si quid in mentem veniet,

id. ib. 12, 36, 1.—So in Cic. with nom. only of neutr. pron. or res; but freq. impers. with gen.:

cum matronarum ac virginum veniebat in mentem,

when I thought of, Cic. Sull. 6, 19:

venit enim mihi in mentem oris tui,

id. Rosc. Am. 34, 95; id. Sull. 14, 38; v. also mens, II. B. fin. and the passages there cited:

oratorum laus ita ducta ab humili venit ad summum, ut, etc.,

id. Tusc. 2, 2, 5:

prava ex falsis opinionibus veniunt,

Quint. 5, 10, 34:

vitium pejus, quod ex inopiā, quam quod ex copiā venit,

id. 2, 4, 4:

non omne argumentum undique venit,

id. 5, 10, 21.—With dat.:

existimabunt majus commodum ex otio meo quam ex aliorum negotiis reipublicae venturum,

Sall. J. 4, 4; 8, 2:

ubi ea dies, quam constituerat cum legatis, venit,

Caes. B. G. 1, 8; so,

dies,

id. ib. 7, 3:

tempus victoriae,

id. ib. 7, 66; cf.:

suum tempus eorum laudi,

Quint. 3, 1, 21:

non sumus omnino sine curā venientis anni,

for the coming year, Cic. Q. Fr. 3, 4, 4:

exemplum trahens Perniciem veniens in aevum,

Hor. C. 3, 5, 16:

veniens aetas,

the future, Ov. F. 6, 639.—Of events, to come, i. e. to happen:

quod hodie venit,

Tac. A. 14, 43.—

In partic.

Venire in aliquid (rarely ad aliquid; v. infra), to come into, fall into any state or condition (so esp. freq.): venisse alicui in amicitiam, to have obtained one's friendship or alliance, Caes. B. G. 6, 5, 4:

in calamitatem,

Cic. Rosc. Am. 17, 49:

in cognitionem alicujus,

Quint. 7, 2, 20:

in consuetudinem,

Cic. Caecin. 2, 6; cf.:

quaedam in consuetudinem ex utilitatis ratione venerunt,

id. Inv. 2, 53, 160:

in proverbii consuetudinem,

id. Off. 2, 15, 55.—Of a personal subject:

(milites) qui in consuetudinem Alexandrinae vitae venerant,

Caes. B. C. 3, 110:

ut non solum hostibus in contemptionem Sabinus veniret, sed, etc.,

had fallen into contempt, id. B. G. 3, 17:

in contentionem, etc.,

Cic. Div. 2, 63, 129:

si falso venisses in suspitionem, P. Sestio,

id. Vatin. 1, 2:

summum in cruciatum,

Caes. B. G. 1, 31:

aut in controversiam aut in contentionem,

Quint. 3, 6, 44:

in discrimen,

Cic. Rosc. Am. 6, 16:

in dubium,

id. Quint. 2, 5:

in alicujus fidem ac potestatem,

to place one's self under the protection and in the power of a person, to surrender at discretion, Caes. B. G. 2, 13:

ne in odium veniam,

Cic. Fin. 2, 24, 79; cf.:

Tarquinii nomen huic populo in odium venisse regium,

id. Rep. 1, 40, 62:

ipse illi perditae multitudini in odium acerbissimum venerit,

id. Att. 10, 8, 6: in eam opinionem Cassius veniebat, Cael. ap. Cic. Fam. 8, 10, 2:

in partem alicujus,

to take part in it, Cic. Fam. 14, 2, 3:

in periculum,

Caes. B. C. 1, 17:

in sermonem alicujus,

i. e. to enter into conversation, Cic. Att. 14, 1, 1;

and in another sense: cum loquerer cum Phaniā, veni in eum sermonem, ut dicerem, etc.,

I happened to say that, id. Fam. 3, 5, 3:

nonnullam in spem veneram, posse me, etc.,

id. de Or. 2, 54, 217:

summam in spem per Helvetios regni obtinendi venire,

to entertain hopes, to hope, Caes. B. G. 1, 18.— Esp. with res as subject, the affair came to, reached the point, etc.:

res proxime formam latrocinii venerat,

Liv. 2, 48, 5; 2, 56, 5:

res venit prope secessionem,

id. 6, 42, 10. ad ultimum dimicationis rati rem venturam, id. 2, 56, 5:

cum speramus eo rem venturam, ut, etc.,

Hor. Ep. 2, 1, 226.— Impers.:

saepe in eum locum ventum est, ut, etc.,

to such a point that, Caes. B. G. 6, 43; Liv. 7, 30, 9.—

Ad aliquid: bene agis, Alba;

ad tuam veniam condicionem,

will accept, Cic. Verr. 2, 3, 62, § 146:

ad summum fortunae,

to attain, Hor. Ep. 2, 1, 32.—

In speaking, to come to a topic:

ut jam a fabulis ad facta veniamus,

Cic. Rep. 2, 2, 4:

ut ad fabulas veniamus,

id. Rosc. Am. 16, 46:

venio ad tertiam epistulam,

id. Q. Fr. 3, 14, 12:

venio ad recentiores litteras,

id. Att. 14, 19, 5:

ad Arcesilam Carneademque veniamus,

id. Ac. 2, 4, 12:

venio nunc ad tertium genus illud, etc.,

id. Rep. 3, 33, 45:

ad istius morbum et insaniam,

id. Verr. 2, 4, 1, § 1 al.