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  • 1 te

    pron. "they, them", 3rd person pl. VT49:51, LotR3:VI ch. 4, translated in Letters:308. The pronoun te represents an original stem-form VT49:50. Dative ten, téna or tien “for them, to them” q.v. Stressed té VT49:51. Ótë *"with them", q.v. VT43:20 connects te "them" with a discussion of Common Eldarin pronominal stems ca. 1940s, where te is the "personal" 3rd person pl. stem, referring to persons rather than abstracts or inanimates which are denoted by ta instead; see, however, the entry ta \#3 regarding the problems with this form, and the hints that te may possibly be used with reference to inanimates as well. Also consider the reflexive pronoun intë *"themselves", the final element of which is apparently this pronoun te; see also tú for the dual form.

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  • 2 laita-

    vb. "bless, praise": a laita, laita te! Andavë laituvalmet!... Cormacolindor, a laita tárienna "bless them, bless them! Long shall we bless them!... The Ring-bearers, praise them to the height!" laita-uva-lme-t"bless-shall-we-them LotR3:VI ch. 4, translated in Letters:308; the meaning of the suffix -lmë was revised from inclusive to exclusive “we”, VT49:55. Verbal noun laitalë "praising", isolated from Erulaitalë UT:166, 436

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  • 3 ó-

    usually reduced to o- when unstressed a prefix "used in words describing the meeting, junction, or union of two things or persons, or of two groups thought of as units". In omentië, onóna, ónoni, q.v. WJ:367, PE17:191; in the Etymologies, stem WŌ, the prefix o-, ó- is simply defined as "together". In VT43:29 is found a table showing how pronominal endings can be added to the preposition ó-; the resulting forms are onyë or óni *"with me", ómë *"with us" also in VT43:36, where "us" is said to be exclusive, ólyë or ólë *"with you" olyë only sg. "you", whereas ólë can be either sg. or pl., ósë *"with him/her", ótë *"with them" of animates – where "them" refers to non-persons, óta or shortened ót is used, though the conceptual validity of ta as a pl. pronoun is questionable, ósa or shortened ós "with it". Two additional forms, ótar and ótari, presumably mean “with them” of inanimate things; see VT49:56 for a possible second attestation of tar as the word for plural inanimate “they”. However, Tolkien's later decision to the effect that ó- refers to two parties only may throw doubt upon the conceptual validity of some of these forms, where at least three persons would be implied like ótë "with them", where one person is "with" two or more others – though Tolkien indicates that two groups may also be involved where the preposition ó- is used. The explicit statement in WJ:367 that the prepostion o variant of ó did not exist independently in Quenya is however difficult to get around, so instead using the preposition ó/o with or without endings for "with", writers may rather use as, the form appearing in the last version of Tolkien's Quenya Hail Mary also attested with a pronominal suffix: aselyë "with you".

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  • 4 ta

    1 pron. "that, it" TA; compare antaróuta/u "he gave it" FS; see anta-. The forms tar/tara/tanna “thither”, talo/tó “thence” and tás/tassë “there” are originally inflected forms of this pronoun: *”to that”, *”from that” and *”in that” place, respectively. Compare “there” as one gloss of ta see \#4. 2 adv. “so, like that, also”, e.g. ta mára “so good” VT49:12 3 pron. "they, them", an "impersonal" 3rd person pl. stem, referring "only to 'abstracts' or to things such as inanimates not by the Eldar regarded as persons" VT43:20, cf. ta as an inanimate Common Eldarin plural pronoun, VT49:52. Compare te, q.v. The word ta occurring in some versions of Tolkien's Quenya Lord's Prayer may exemplify this use of ta as an "impersonal" plural pronoun: emmë avatyarir uta/u "we forgive uthem/u" VT43:8, 9; this refers to trespasses, not the trespassers. However, since Tolkien also wanted ta to mean “that” see \#1 above, he may seem to be somewhat dissatisfied with ta “they, them”, introducing variant forms like tai VT49:32 to free up ta as a sg. pronoun. In one document, tai was in turn altered to te VT49:33, which could suggest that the distinction between animate and inanimate “they, them” was abandoned and the form te q.v. could be used for both. In some documents, Tolkien seems to use tar as the plural form VT49:56 mentions this as an uncertain reading in a source where the word was struck out; compare ótar under ó-. 4 conj., said to be a reducted form of tá “then”, used “before each new item in a series or list”; “if as often in English the equivalent of and was omitted, and placed only before a final item e.g. ‘Tom, Dick, and Harriet’, this would in Quenya represent a discontinuity, and what followed after ta would be an addition of something overlooked or less important”. PE17:70 Hence the use of arta ar ta, “and ta” for “et cetera”; in older language ta ta or just ta. 5 adv. “there” VT49:33; this may be an Elvish root or “element” rather than a Quenya word; see tanomë; see however also tar, tara, tanna under ta \#1.

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  • 5 a

    1 vocative particle "O" in a vanimar "O beautiful ones" LotR3:VI ch. 6, translated in Letters:308; also attested repeatedly in VT44:12 cf. 15: A Hrísto *"o Christ", A Eruion*"o God the son/son of God", a Aina Fairë *"o Holy Spirit", a aina Maria *"o holy Mary". 2 conj. "and", a variant of ar occurring in Fíriel's Song that also has ar; a seems to be used before words in f-, but contrast ar formenna *”and northwards” in a late text, VT49:26. According to PE17:41, “Old Quenya” could have the conjunction a as a variant of ar before n, ñ, m, h, hy, hw f is not mentioned, PE17:71 adding ty, ny, hr, hl, ñ, l, r,þ, s. See ar \#1. It may be that the a or the sentence nornë a lintieryanen “he ran with his speed” i.e. as quickly as he could is to be understood as this conjunction, if the literal meaning is *“he ran and did so with his speed” PE17:58. 3, also á, imperative particle. An imperative with “immediate time reference” is expressed by á in front of the verb or “occasionally after it, sometimes before and after for emphasis”, with the verb following in “the simplest form also used for the uninflected ‘aorist’ without specific time reference past or present or future” PE17:93. Cf. a laita te, laita te! "o bless them, bless them!", á vala Manwë! "may Manwë order it!", literally *"o rule Manwë!" see laita, vala for reference; cf. also á carë *“do!”, á ricë “try!”, á lirë “sing!”, á menë “proceed!”, a norë “run!” PE17:92-93, notice short a in this example, á tula *"come!" VT43:14. In the last example, the verb tul- “come” receives an ending -a that probably represents the suffixed form of the imperative particle, this apparently being an example of the imperative element occurring both “before and after” the verbal stem “for emphasis” PE17:93. This ending may also appear on its own with no preceding a/á, as in the command queta “speak!” PE17:138. Other examples of imperatives with suffixed -a include cena and tira VT47:31, see cen-, tir-; the imperatives of these same verbs are however also attested as á tirë, á cenë PE17:94 with the imperative particle remaining independent and the following verb appearing as an uninflected aorist stem. This aorist can be plural to indicate a 3rd person pl. subject: á ricir! “let them try!” PE17:93. Alyë VT43:17, VT44:9 seems to be the imperative particle a with the pronominal suffix -lyë "you, thou" suffixed to indicate the subject who is to carry out the command; attested in the phrase alyë anta *"give thou" elided aly' in VT43:11, since the next word begins in e-: aly' eterúna me, *"do thou deliver us"; presumably other pronominal suffixes could likewise be added. The particle a is also present in the negative imperatives ala, \#ála or áva, q.v.

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  • 6 -t

    1 dual ending, on nouns denoting a pair of something: attat "2 fathers or neighbours" VT48:19; see atto, máryat "her pair of hands" Nam, siryat "two rivers" VT47:11, ciriat "2 ships" Letters:427 – read ciryat as in the Plotz Letter?, maquat "group of ten" from maqua, meaning among other things "group of five" VT47:7, nápat "thumb and index as a pair" VT48:5, also compare met "us two" as the dual form of me "us" Nam, VT47:11. Other dual endings known from the Plotz letter: genitive -to, possessive -twa, dative -nt, locative -tsë, allative -nta, ablative -lto, instrumental -nten, plus -tes as a possible short locative. It may be that these endings only apply to nouns that would have nominative dual forms in -t, and that nouns preferring the alternative dual ending -u would simply add the otherwise "singular" case endings to this vowel, e.g. *Alduo rather than ?Alduto as the genitive form of "Two Trees" Aldu.– The ending -t is also used as a verbal inflection, corresponding to pl. -r elen atta siluvaut/u, “two stars shall shine”, VT49:45; the verb carit “do” would also be used with a dual subject, VT49:16; cf. also the endings listed in VT49:48, 50. 2 "them", pronominal ending; seen in the word laituvalmet "we shall bless them" lait-uva-lme-t "bless-shall-we-them". According to PE17:110, this -t covers both sg. and dual. Also independent word te pl. and tú dual possibly *tu when unstressed. 3 reduced pronominal affix of the 2. person, "you" sg., the long form being -tyë both endings are listed in VT49:48. See heca regarding the example hecat WJ:364. However, in a later source, Tolkien denies that -tyë has any short form VT49:51, 57. The status of the ending -t is therefore doubtful.

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  • 7

    pron. “they, them”, 3rd person dual “the two of them”, both “personal and neuter” the pronoun can be used of persons and things alike. VT49:51 Tolkien also considered tet for the same meaning, listing it alongside tú in one source VT49:56, but this form was apparently abandoned.

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  • 8 tai

    1 pron. "that which, what", “which fact” VT42:34, VT49:12, 20. The word occurs in the sentence alasaila ná lá carë tai mo navë mára, translated "it is unwise not to do what one judges good". So tai = "what", but it means more literally "that which" VT49:12, ta + i cf. ta \#1 and the use of i as a relative pronoun. In one note, Tolkien emended tai to ita, reversing the elements VT49:12 and also eliminating the ambiguity involving the homophone tai \#2, see below. 2 pron. “they, them”, 3rd person pl., used with reference to inanimates rather than persons or living things VT49:32, see ta \#3 above. Perhaps to avoid the clash with tai “that which”, the pronoun tai “they, them” was altered to te in at least one manuscript VT49:33, so that it would merge with the pronoun used of living beings and the distinction between animate and inanimate would be abandoned see te. 3 adv. “then”, also tá which form may be preferred because tai has other meanings as well VT49:33

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  • 9 -ttë

    1 “they”, dual 3rd person pronominal ending “the two of them” VT49:51, replacing also within the legendarium the older ending -stë which was later used for the second person only. This older ending -stë corresponds to a possessive ending -sta “their” VT49:16, but this was presumably likewise altered to *-tta as the new ending for dual “their” = “of the two of them”. 2, 3rd person pl. reflexive ending, as in melittë “they love themselves” VT49:21. This ending can hardly coexist with \#1 above; an alternative wording would be the analytical construction *meliltë intë. Compare -ssë \#2.

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  • 10 ten

    1 pron. in dative “to them, for them” VT49:14, also tien, téna. See te. 2 conj. "for", in Fíriel's Song; apparently replaced by an in LotR-style Quenya.

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  • 11 -s

    1 3rd person sg. pronominal ending "he/him, she/her, it" VT49:48, 51, occurring in caris *“he/she/it does” VT49:16, PE17:129, caitas *“it lies” PE17:65, tentanes “it pointed” VT49:26, tulis *”she comes” VT49:19, eques q.v., anes see ná \#1, also in object position in camnelyes, caritas, caritalyas, melinyes, tiruvantes, and utúvienyes, q.v. Tolkien mentions -s as an “objective” ending for the 3rd person sg. in PE17:110. The longer form -së perhaps with personal meaning “he, she” only is said to be “rare” VT49:51; cf. násë “he is”, nésë “he was” see ná \#1. In nésë the ending is suggested to be shortened from -sse VT49:28, an ending that may also be attested in the untranslated verbal form tankassen PE17:76, where it is perhaps followed by a second pronominal ending -n *”me”. According to PE17:129, the 3rd person sg. ending at one stage appeared as -ze “when pronominal affixes followed” Tolkien citing the form carize-, e.g. apparently *carizet for “he makes them”; normally z would later become r, but it actually became historically: reverted to s by analogy with the short form caris as well as the independent pronoun se. Exilic Quenya would then evidently have e.g. *cariset for “he makes them”, with a rare example of intervocalic s that is not derived from older þ. 2 ending for the mysterious case sometimes called "respective", actually probably a shorter variant of the locative in -ssë. Pl. -is, dual -tes, partitive pl. -lis.

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  • 12 -lmë

    1st person pl. pronominal ending: "we" VT49:38; 51 carilmë *”we do”, VT49:16. It was originally intended to be inclusive "we" VT49:48, including the persons spoken to, but by 1965 Tolkien made this the ending for exclusive "we" instead cf. the changed definition of the corresponding possessive ending -lma, see above. VT49:38 Exemplified in laituvalmet "we shall bless them" lait-uva-lme-t "bless-shall-we-them" the meaning apparently changed from inclusive to exclusive “we”, VT49:55, see also nalmë under ná\# 1. LotR3:VI ch. 4, translated in Letters:308

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  • 13 tien

    would seem to be a dative pronoun *"for them". Whether this is somehow to be derived from the pronoun te "they, them", or whether it is the dative form of an otherwise unattested 3rd person pl. pronoun *tië, remains unclear. VT43:12, 21 Ten q.v. as the straightforward dative form of te is attested elsewhere.

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  • 14 ímen

    a word occurring in Fíriel's Song, translated "in them" ar ilqua ímen "and all that is in them". Probably not valid in LotR-style Quenya.

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  • 15 quentalë

    "q" noun "account, history" KWET, "narration, History" as abstract, but the word may also be used with a particular reference, as in quentalë Noldoron or quentalë Noldorinwa "the history of the Noldor", referring to the real events rather than an account of them: "that part of universal History which concerned the Noldor". VT39:16; in this source the spelling really is "quentale" rather than "qentale"

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  • 16 ala

    1 imperative particle á, a combined with the negation lá, -la "not" to express a prohibition VT43:22; see lá \#1. Also with 1st person suffix -lyë alalyë and álalyë, VT43:10, 22, VT44:8 and 1st person pl. object suffix -më alamë and álamë, "do not do something to us", as in álaumë/u tulya, "do not lead uus/u", VT43:12, 22. In the essay Quendi and Eldar, negative imperatives are rather indicated by áva, q.v., but this form can well coexist with ala, \#ála. 5 prep. "after, beyond" MC:221, 214; however, LotR-style Quenya has han and pella "beyond" and apa "after" 6 also alar! or alla! interjection "hail, blessed be thou". VT45:5,14 7 noun "day", also alan "daytime". The forms allen, alanen listed after these words could be inflected forms of them, genitive "of daytime", constracted allen = al'nen and uncontracted. However, Tolkien struck out all of this VT45:13.

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  • 17 astë

    prep. with pron. suffix 1 *”beside you”, in this sense changed to ardë; 2 *”beside them”, in this sense changed to artë VT49:25. See ara.

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  • 18 ara

    prep.and adv.? "outside, beside, besides" ARsup2/sup, VT49:57. According to VT45:6, the original glosses were "without, outside, beside", but Tolkien emended this. Arsë “he is out”, VT49:23, 35, 36. As for ara, see ar \#1. – VT49:25 lists what seems to be ara combined with various pronominal suffixes: Singular anni arni *”beside me”, astyë *“beside you” informal, allë *“besides you” formal, arsë *”beside him/her”, plural anwë armë *“beside us” exclusive, arwë *“beside us” inclusive, astë ardë *“beside you” plural, astë artë *“beside them”; dual anwet armet *“beside us two”. Here Tolkien presupposes that ara represents original ada-. The same source lists the unglossed forms ari, arin that may combine the preposition with the article, hence *“beside the” VT49:24-25

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  • 19 ric-

    “k” 1 vb. “try, put forth effort, strive, endeavour” PE17:93, 94, 167, imperative á ricë “try!”, pl. á ricir “let them try”, á rice amaricië “try harder!” or more idiomatically á carë sí ancarië, lit. *“do now with more doing!” 2 vb. "twist", perfect irícië "has twisted" VT39:9

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  • 20 téna

    1 adj. "straight, right" SD:310; see téra 2 dative pron. “to them”, changed to ten in the source VT49:14

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