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1 ve
1 prep. "as, like" Nam, RGEO:66, Markirya, MC:213, 214, VT27:20, 27, VT49:22; in Narqelion ve may mean either "in" or "as". Ve fírimor quetir *as mortals say VT49:10, ve senwa or senya as usual VT49:10. Followed by genitive, ve apparently expresses after the manner of: ve quenderinwë coaron k after the manner of bodies of Elven-kind PE17:174. Tolkien variously derived Quenya ve from older wē, bē or vai VT49:10, 32, PE17:189 2 pron. we, 1st person pl. inclusive corresponding to exclusive me, derived from an original stem-form we VT49:50, PE17:130. Variant vi, q.v. Stressed wé, later vé VT49:51. Dative *wéna véna, VT49:14. Dual wet, later *vet the two of us inclusive; cf. exclusive met VT49:51. Also compare the dative form ngwin or ngwen q.v., but this would apparently be *wen *ven according to Tolkiens later ideas.
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